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front dif rebuilt due to lift

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by mk3smitty » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:37 pm

ok thank yall for the help
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by djthumper » Fri Jan 06, 2012 7:38 pm

mk3smitty wrote:not sure the mwr on base ordered it and installed while i was deployed and my wife picked it up it was a suprise for my return home lol so i havnt really paid it no mind my main concern has been finding a good set of shocks maybe even just goin straight axle like i did on my yota but this is my daily driver so not to sure on that one yet but as soon as i get it back i will post the dealers report and snap some pics


No manufacturer makes a 4" suspension lift for our trucks. You need to find out the manufacturer that built your kit and let us know that first. If you are on a 4" suspension lift you have binding. And since MWR doesn't order the stuff unless it is through the auto hobby shop they only order through their regular vendors.
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by chevycrew » Fri Jan 06, 2012 8:14 pm

I also noticed, that 3" rear spacer can only give 3" of lift, no exceptions.
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by v7guy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:02 pm

Where did you get these HD axles with 6 ribs at?

I'm still trying to find a solution to my boots ripping.


I have a hard time believing your axles are bent, the axle bearings in the front diff are going to see more loading and will fail faster, but we're not talking weeks.


You're running a setup that none of us knows anything about and that you have no pictures or info on. So it's pretty much impossible for anyone to give you reliable advice beyond the very very general.
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by fishsticks » Fri Jan 06, 2012 9:04 pm

I have a hair over 4" of suspension lift with my spacer/spring combo. I've put 20K miles on it with no issues.

Your problem is your wheeling environment. 80% of the stuff I've broken has broken in mud or snow where I had to use a lot of go pedal. I can crawl dry rocks all day and only worry about the occasional tie rod.

I'm locked in front and wheel 35s. For everything I have broken I have NEVER bent an axle. The dealership is full of shit.

Get out of the mud holes and go easy on the gas pedal... and maybe wait until it's out of warranty to wheel it.
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by mk3smitty » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:03 pm

v7guy wrote:Where did you get these HD axles with 6 ribs at?

I'm still trying to find a solution to my boots ripping.


I have a hard time believing your axles are bent, the axle bearings in the front diff are going to see more loading and will fail faster, but we're not talking weeks.


You're running a setup that none of us knows anything about and that you have no pictures or info on. So it's pretty much impossible for anyone to give you reliable advice beyond the very very general.

idk if you have a O'Reilly Auto Parts but that is where i go the axles they were 124$ and are just a hair bigger in shaft diameter but the boots have 6 ribs i double checked with them to assure they were not a oem part. i also added the timken hubs. i also doute my axles were bent i thank they were just blowing smoke up my ass to get me to pay.

as for the MWR im in the coast guard that is our hobby shop and it is ran here on base they do order parts for use and work on our cars its kinda like a little firestone
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by fishsticks » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:23 pm

The 8135 axles at O'Reilly should be costing you about $70 each with a lifetime warranty. Those are my go-to replacements.
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by v7guy » Fri Jan 06, 2012 10:41 pm

Yeah, it looks like the masterpro axles are the ones with the 5 ribs. Wish i found this info 2 months ago. No O'reileys around me but I can order online supposedly.
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by djthumper » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:15 pm

I know what MWR is how do you think I know what they can and can't do. But the hobby shop is generally a DYI shop where if it is done at the service station they do the work. Not everyone on this site is not familiar with the military.

You have contradicted yourself several times in this thread. At one point you ordered and installed, in another your wife did it when you were deployed and MWR did the install.


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by bgwolfpack » Fri Jan 06, 2012 11:21 pm

Most of us here want to help others out when we can but to do this we all must be honest and to the point. Get your story straight and re-post. Please do this at a computer also, this helps reduce the image of a two year old trying to type.
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by bartonmd » Sat Jan 07, 2012 1:26 am

I saw 4" lift, and figured it was like several on here, with a 3" lift + stiffer springs... If OP has a 4" lift kit, it could be the "death trap" kits that are sold on eBay, that are all outside-the-strut, causing the ball joints and CV joints to be the down-limiting components...

Let us know if you had to compress your springs with a spring compressor to install the lift, or if you were just able to drop them out of the mounts, mount the spacers, and put them back up, without touching the springs?

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by HARDTRAILZ » Sat Jan 07, 2012 3:29 am

I am sure it is airbags...No issue. The dealer is dead wrong. Waste em all and run...
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by v7guy » Sat Jan 07, 2012 11:54 am

Every time there's a reply I come back looking for pics and then I get disappointed
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by Trail X » Sat Jan 07, 2012 12:34 pm

Justin, I reccommend that you get your TB back in your own hands, and you run through the 4WD diagnostic routine posted in our Tech Docs, here: http://www.offroadtb.com/articles/tech- ... wd-system/

That will greatly help us diagnose your system. It will also allow you to take pictures of your lift, so we can visually attempt to see if it is designed wrong. You can personally check if the lift is too high by lifting both front tires off the ground (by the frame), and spinning the wheels when in 2WD. Neither wheel should bind, and both should spin freely. While its in the air, check your upper ball joint, and ensure it's not the limiting element, if it is, it could snap. 4" is probably too high without the UCA flip.

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by mk3smitty » Thu Jan 12, 2012 4:41 pm

just got my truck back from the dealer they said for me to take the lift off because it is causing the angle of the axle to be to much which will cause my front dif to go out agin. while driving it this morning i noticed it to be a little stuf in the front end i put it in 4wd because there its snow everywhere up here and had a little vibration in my front end i have never noticed this before also a little bit of binding when i turn while backing up but i thank thats just from turning a little to much i have pics i thank i am just gonna get a dif lift and roll with that
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by mk3smitty » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:03 pm

and im sorry it was a 3" in the front 2'' in the rear
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by Trail X » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:08 pm

I have the equivalent to about 3.5" or 4" up front, and I don't have any binding issues.

What is the stiffness from? Do you mean steering-wise?

Your axles don't appear to be overly stressed.

What lift do you have? How is it designed? It may be allowing your suspension to unload too far, into dangerous territory.
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by mk3smitty » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:12 pm

the stiffness i believe is from the new front dif it has not broke in yet and it is very cold up here so all of my oils are thick right now lol. not sure on the lift like i said it was ordered and installed while i was over seas but i believe it is a ready lift not 100% on that though. i thank im just gonna ride it out and see what happens
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by Trail X » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:20 pm

The ready lift design (outside the strut) as a 3" lift, could be dangerous for your parts. Can you get a height measurement of the spacer itself?

However 'ready lift' markets their units as 2", and I believe some people have tried them out without much issue.

You can easily tell if you have too much lift by lifting either tire off the ground by the frame, and trying to spin it by hand (in 2WD).
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by mk3smitty » Thu Jan 12, 2012 5:23 pm

ok would you sagest getting a new lift also do you think it will be fine to drive while im waiting for the new lift
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