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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Jun 15, 2010 9:47 am

I tried to figure what to get, but am still lost. I have the woman convinced i need one, since I took her to some dirt track racing and she saw several of them start on fire. I just need help figuring out which one or two i should be carrying.
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by fishsticks » Tue Jun 15, 2010 11:45 am

Summit carries a few mountable A/B/C types IIRC.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:00 pm

I can get them. I just don't know if I want a b c or what? Can anyone explain them i read a recent article in offroad and it still is not making alot of sense. All i really gathered was I probably need 2, but which kind and size????
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by fishsticks » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:36 pm

A= Fires you could normally put out with water. Wood, paper etc.

B= Oil or fuel based fires, kinds that water would spread.

C= Electrical fires... again water is bad there.

You want the ability to put out all three... there are some extinguishers that can only do two effectively. There are a few that can do all three.
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by bgwolfpack » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:44 pm

Kinda searching around I found these. http://www.smarthome.com/7988/Compact-F ... air/p.aspx

Only question may be the temperature rating. Looks like something Bill would carry.

This is more what I think you want hanging out in your truck.http://www.h3rperformance.com/hg100r.htm (looks cooler)
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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:45 pm

So I really need to cover B and C since I typically have water.
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by HARDTRAILZ » Tue Jun 15, 2010 12:46 pm

bgwolfpack wrote:Kinda searching around I found these. http://www.smarthome.com/7988/Compact-F ... air/p.aspx

Only question may be the temperature rating. Looks like something Bill would carry.


Seems like a good basic one. Not too badly priced and seems to say it does it all.
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by gotspeed1 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 2:45 pm

If you just want to cover B and C, whatever extinguisher you get should cover A type fires as well. The difference is the solution in the container. IIRC, the solution in an ABC extinguisher is foam based and will take care of MOST fires. If it were me, I'd just get one with an ABC rating to make sure you're clear in every aspect.
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by djthumper » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:48 pm

bgwolfpack wrote:Kinda searching around I found these. http://www.smarthome.com/7988/Compact-F ... air/p.aspx


I have a pair of these in each of my vehicles. Not too bad size wise, the only thing they don't have is a pressure gauge.
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by bartonmd » Tue Jun 15, 2010 3:58 pm

gotspeed1 wrote:If you just want to cover B and C, whatever extinguisher you get should cover A type fires as well. The difference is the solution in the container. IIRC, the solution in an ABC extinguisher is foam based and will take care of MOST fires. If it were me, I'd just get one with an ABC rating to make sure you're clear in every aspect.


The ABC units that I have used are all powder... nasty, stinky, choaking powder...

ETA: From the Rally Racing days, I have started usually having one mounted in reach of the driver, with the seat belt attached... That way if you're upside down or pinned in the seat, you can reach the extinguisher...

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by gotspeed1 » Tue Jun 15, 2010 4:13 pm

bartonmd wrote:The ABC units that I have used are all powder... nasty, stinky, choaking powder...Mike

You're right Mike... for some reason I was thinking foam when they do use powder. And to think I just watched our safety guy at the mine discharge one :wallbash: .
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by Philberto » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:12 pm

I personally am holding out until I can find a Halon or alternative extinguisher. Advantages: No cleanup, no damage from corrosive powder, newer formulations are environmentally friendly.

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by SomeOffPave » Tue Jun 15, 2010 5:46 pm

bartonmd wrote:
ETA: From the Rally Racing days, I have started usually having one mounted in reach of the driver, with the seat belt attached... That way if you're upside down or pinned in the seat, you can reach the extinguisher...

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Let me see now. Just in case I am trapped in a burning TB a fire extinguisher needs to be in reach. Bill/ roadie says I need some Celox at hand in case I am trapped AND bleeding. A flashlight should be accessable because if I have to get out of my seat to find one A) it will be too dark to find or B) if there is enough light to find it I really do not need one. CB/ satelight radio/ cell phone should all be mounted close so I do not have to yell to be heard by the person on the other end of the conversation. GPS/ Navistar/ laptop computer needs to be close enough for my middle aged eyes to read. Last but not least, I need a spring loaded clip in sight to hold the note my wife gave me to remind me to get milk and stop at the drug store.

To be able to surround myself with all this very necessary stuff and still have room to sit behind the steering wheel I am going to have to install a sun roof and let it open so I can crawl in thru the roof OR remove the driver's door panel, run the window up, lock it in position, remove the motor and linkage, and mount some of the items in that cavity!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Just busting on you Mike. What would you mount closest in a daily driver and where would you put it such that it does not get damaged by everyday in-and-out ?
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by djthumper » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:32 pm

Philberto wrote:I personally am holding out until I can find a Halon or alternative extinguisher. Advantages: No cleanup, no damage from corrosive powder, newer formulations are environmentally friendly.


Considering you can not get the halon serviced after it has been used. There are no new installs and I wouldn't buy one from ebay.
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by Philberto » Tue Jun 15, 2010 6:44 pm

Where did you read that? While Halon production has indeed been discontinued since 1994, you are very much able to get Halon refills and the like, due to a constantly recycled supply of existing Halon... They are rechargeable, just like any dry-chem.

In addition to that, there are Halon substitutes offered in various extinguishers (Halotron comes to mind) but without the ozone-depleting effects.
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by bartonmd » Tue Jun 15, 2010 8:30 pm

SomeOffPave wrote:
bartonmd wrote:
ETA: From the Rally Racing days, I have started usually having one mounted in reach of the driver, with the seat belt attached... That way if you're upside down or pinned in the seat, you can reach the extinguisher...

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Let me see now. Just in case I am trapped in a burning TB a fire extinguisher needs to be in reach. Bill/ roadie says I need some Celox at hand in case I am trapped AND bleeding. A flashlight should be accessable because if I have to get out of my seat to find one A) it will be too dark to find or B) if there is enough light to find it I really do not need one. CB/ satelight radio/ cell phone should all be mounted close so I do not have to yell to be heard by the person on the other end of the conversation. GPS/ Navistar/ laptop computer needs to be close enough for my middle aged eyes to read. Last but not least, I need a spring loaded clip in sight to hold the note my wife gave me to remind me to get milk and stop at the drug store.

To be able to surround myself with all this very necessary stuff and still have room to sit behind the steering wheel I am going to have to install a sun roof and let it open so I can crawl in thru the roof OR remove the driver's door panel, run the window up, lock it in position, remove the motor and linkage, and mount some of the items in that cavity!

:lol: :lol: :lol: Just busting on you Mike. What would you mount closest in a daily driver and where would you put it such that it does not get damaged by everyday in-and-out ?


Yeah, pretty much!

I have the one in my truck mounted on the floor, between the seat and the door... Right down at the left side of the driver's seat, on the floor...

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by Jon A » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:11 am

No need to reinvent the wheel. Sanctioning bodies that pay great attention to safety have studied this stuff in detail and already figured things out. While some others are now accepted, Halon is the standard. This is what I use in my Camaro for SCCA legality: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/produc ... ?RecID=439 .
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by Zero » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:22 pm

Isnt Halon illegal or not used anymore because it is very destructive to the ozone?
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by bartonmd » Wed Jun 16, 2010 5:34 pm

Zero wrote:Isnt Halon illegal or not used anymore because it is very destructive to the ozone?


They stopped making it, but it's not "illegal" (at least here)...

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by Trail X » Mon Jun 21, 2010 3:55 pm

Jon A wrote:No need to reinvent the wheel. Sanctioning bodies that pay great attention to safety have studied this stuff in detail and already figured things out. While some others are now accepted, Halon is the standard. This is what I use in my Camaro for SCCA legality: http://www.pegasusautoracing.com/produc ... ?RecID=439 .


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