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Bleeding a steering rack.

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by Moots1288 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 1:47 pm

I have actually never bled a steering rack before, and I just replaced the rack and wondering is there a quick way or any tricks in order to bleed the rack and pinion
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by ErikSS » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:04 pm

I'm pretty sure you just turn the wheels lock to lock 2-3 times. Easy.
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by Dammann35 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:06 pm

Yeah you just turn the wheel back an forth 10 times each
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by DirtyBacon04 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:14 pm

i thought you turn them almost all the way, but don't hit the stop.
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by ErikSS » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:31 pm

DirtyBacon04 wrote:i thought you turn them almost all the way, but don't hit the stop.


That could be, but I'm curious about the purpose stopping short....
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by Moots1288 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:52 pm

ErikSS wrote:
DirtyBacon04 wrote:i thought you turn them almost all the way, but don't hit the stop.


That could be, but I'm curious about the purpose stopping short....

Maybe so you dont slam the rack dry? But really shouldnt matter. There will be fluid in there. Im just guessing
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by DirtyBacon04 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 6:58 pm

Moots1288 wrote:
ErikSS wrote:
DirtyBacon04 wrote:i thought you turn them almost all the way, but don't hit the stop.


That could be, but I'm curious about the purpose stopping short....

Maybe so you dont slam the rack dry?


i thought that was common knowledge... :safe:
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by Moots1288 » Wed Jun 18, 2014 7:01 pm

Damn, well I learn something new cause I just go broke, dry or oiled shouldn't have a problem
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by Trail X » Wed Jun 18, 2014 9:56 pm

Moots1288 wrote:
ErikSS wrote:
DirtyBacon04 wrote:i thought you turn them almost all the way, but don't hit the stop.


That could be, but I'm curious about the purpose stopping short....

Maybe so you dont slam the rack dry? But really shouldnt matter. There will be fluid in there. Im just guessing

I think its irrelevant either way because our end stops are in our knuckle, not in our rack.
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by v7guy » Thu Jun 19, 2014 10:02 am

James, that was my thoughts as well. Our rack doesn't have internal stops per say, the knuckle limits it.

In my case I've read a dozen different methods, at the end of the day I filled it up, let the truck run, filled up the reservoir, then went lock to lock a few times. Topped it off, let it idle until I didn't see signs of air, then drove around the block and it was good.


If it's full and there is no power steering and you're not leaking fluid, the pump isn't building pressure and it's probably shot.
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by ErikSS » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:08 pm

Jason, that's exactly what I do.

He's installed 2 new pumps, still no pressure. I guess it started working, he drove it around the block. Now the pump wines and he doesnt have power steering. Anybody have ideas for him? Matt, feel free to correct me if I screweed it up. I'm just trying to get more opinions.
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by Moots1288 » Thu Jun 19, 2014 9:21 pm

Is there any way that the high and low side are swapped on the older racks? maybe I was sent an earlier model?

And yes thats what happened, I had power steering for the first maybe 100 feet then it started whining like a mofo and I lost power steering. There are no air bubbles, I've bleed it multiple ways and still have nothing.
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by v7guy » Fri Jun 20, 2014 12:45 am

You would think there would be some documentation somewhere about the two sides being switched if that was the case, plus the 04 and 07 has the same part numbers.
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by Trail X » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:23 pm

It doesn't sound like there is air in your rack, I can't see that blowing a pump, only making steering "mushy". Its kinda self-bleeding.

Have you tried unhooking the lines and seeing if the pump itself is just not pumping fluid out? I recall our pump has a mechanical fuse on the pulley that will shear if too much load is put on the pump. I don't think air in the system would make the load increase in any way.
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by Moots1288 » Fri Jun 20, 2014 11:28 pm

I need to check that out, couldn't get under the truck tonight. I need to figure out why there would be a load like that on the pump unless there is obstruction inside the rack. The lines were clear before I put them into the new rack. Dirt could have fallen into the rack and causing the load on the pump?
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by Opeth » Sat Jun 21, 2014 12:48 am

I've had to go through 3 reman pumps before I got to one that actually worked on another vehicle....
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by Moots1288 » Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:47 pm

Installed my original rack and pinion back in and got my 3rd pump and bled it up, it now works like a charm :-D
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by Opeth » Tue Jun 24, 2014 12:15 pm

Funny how it takes 3 pumps to get it right....I was just across the creek from you last night on Hunts point in the Bronx.
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by Moots1288 » Tue Jun 24, 2014 2:26 pm

Opeth wrote:Funny how it takes 3 pumps to get it right....I was just across the creek from you last night on Hunts point in the Bronx.



Should have sent me a text man, and it took my old rack.
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