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by bobbyblaze » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:36 pm

Posted this on the OS. Jeep snorkel extends all the way to the front of the hood where the air box intake is. Same side as ours. I have a TJ in my driveway if any measurements are needed (don't have a snorkel though).
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by OregTrailBlazin » Thu Nov 12, 2009 9:45 pm

bobbyblaze wrote:Posted this on the OS. Jeep snorkel extends all the way to the front of the hood where the air box intake is. Same side as ours. I have a TJ in my driveway if any measurements are needed (don't have a snorkel though).



Going to the from the back of the fender to the front is not the probelm. It getting low enough to go through the inner fender well below the main support. The problem is the dang washer fluid container is in the way. I'll show Teebes and Roadie what we're working with we we go on the run...

But if you want ot buy one of the Jeep snorkels and test fit it, by all meens please do!!
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by Philberto » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:10 pm

Just wondering, but is it possible to just make that airspace watertight and not bother running a hose through everything? Just have a hole in the outer fender and in the inner fender, and let that cavity work as just another intake resonator?
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by Trail X » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:29 pm

I don't think that would gain you much. If you were really in an oh-shit situation, you'd want the safety factor that the snorkel neck provides.
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by Philberto » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:36 pm

JamesDowning wrote:I don't think that would gain you much. If you were really in an oh-shit situation, you'd want the safety factor that the snorkel neck provides.


True, I was just proposing a possibility for solving the neck routing problem.
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by Trail X » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:51 pm

Oh, I see... I misunderstood before. :wallbash: You want to make an air plenum with the snorkel still attached. I thought you were implying that you wanted to suck out of the inner fender with no snorkel.

To air-tight the inner fender would be a real PITA. I don't see any way it could be easier or better than running a hose.
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by Philberto » Thu Nov 12, 2009 10:57 pm

JamesDowning wrote:Oh, I see... I misunderstood before. :wallbash: You want to make an air plenum with the snorkel still attached. I thought you were implying that you wanted to suck out of the inner fender with no snorkel.

To air-tight the inner fender would be a real PITA. I don't see any way it could be easier or better than running a hose.


Ah, that's what I was wondering about... I thought you might be able to just weld some sheet metal underneath to do the trick.
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by The Roadie » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:44 pm

OK, so the sooper sekrit Ninja plan is to sucker Johnny down here from Oregon, get him drunk, swipe the partially-installed snorkel, complete it down here in CA, and deny everything. [Oh, did I say that out loud?]
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by bobbyblaze » Thu Nov 12, 2009 11:51 pm

The one thing I never understood is how water dosen't go down and collect or enter the engine through the top of a foward facing style snorkel while it's raining and driving.

The top of the snorkel I posted the pic of has a round design that will work better for rain water. Seen that style on forklifts too. One of my turbo diesel work trucks has a downward facing snorkel inlet to keep rain water from entering.
I do understand the positive ram-like air flow that is probably achieved from facing the inlet foward. Still don't see where the rain water goes that has to enter while driving in the rain. Especially in downpour conditions.
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by The Roadie » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:00 am

The intake head has funnel drains.
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by MrSmithsTB » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:11 am

This ones lines follow quite well, I think.
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I think I could make it work with a decent weekend and fifty bucks worth of parts.
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by foosh » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:06 am

I think that would work for us,but our trucks are more curved than that... And I have a feeling it wouldn't work with our door pillars. The one that Oregontrailz has is what I'd go for, or try to adapt a jk snorkel
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by bobbyblaze » Fri Nov 13, 2009 7:04 am

The Roadie wrote:The intake head has funnel drains.

Thanks, now I have to see one up close and in person. If I can get done work early one day, I can take a drive out to Quadratec (bout' 30-45min in the opposite direction from home). There's probably at least 5-7 snorkels mounted on varying wranglers and cherokees in their employee parking lot. Might be some good homework since I can compare measurements with my tb right there. I was just out there last week picking up a pair of D-rings for a new TB project.
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by MrSmithsTB » Fri Nov 13, 2009 8:54 am

foosh wrote:I think that would work for us,but our trucks are more curved than that... And I have a feeling it wouldn't work with our door pillars. The one that Oregontrailz has is what I'd go for, or try to adapt a jk snorkel


True, but if you wanted to run a snorkel that enters at the front of the fender, I think this is more forgiving than the TK option.
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by Trail X » Fri Nov 13, 2009 9:52 am

There wouldn't be any advantage to using an exterior snorkel that shoots to the front. You still have to make room for the hose to punch through the engine compartment, that's where the problem lies, not getting the hose to the front of the fender.

If you take off your intake filter housing and look at the sheet metal wall on the left, you'll notice there are fluid lines mounted to the wall there. Not much room to punch a 3" hole there... thus the hold up on OregTrailBlazin's progress.
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by MrSmithsTB » Fri Nov 13, 2009 12:06 pm

I've read the thread and understand all of the setbacks, James. You seem to think I don't do my homework. There is. believe it or not, an advantage to running to the front of the fender.Straight shot to the intake = less turns in the tubing = more efficient air delivery. All I am presenting is another option for product adaptation.
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by Trail X » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:52 pm

My apologies, I thought you were trying to solve a problem that didn't exist.

It seems to be that any gains in airflow efficiency would only be noticeable, if ever, at WOT. It may be hard to find an extended snorkel like that that would fit the lines properly...
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by Gordinho80 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 1:55 pm

Doesn't anyone on here dabble with fiberglass????
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by Philberto » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:00 pm

Gordinho80 wrote:Doesn't anyone on here dabble with fiberglass????


For the sake of my brain cells, I try to keep the resin dabbling to a minimum... I'm familiar with the techniques and concepts, but have no experience working with it. Wouldn't it be more brittle than a thermoplastic polymer though?
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by Gordinho80 » Fri Nov 13, 2009 2:02 pm

You have a point...
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